The #talentdividend data is coming

The #talentdividend data is coming

Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 22, 2013

We know the big question on your mind: when do we get to see the data? At the April meeting in Philadelphia economist Joe Cortright will provide every city with their latest numbers. In anticipation of that moment, Cortright will join us here for a preview on Thursday, March 28. Not sure you'll be free? No worries, click on "post to this conversation" and add your question. It will be among the first Joe answers. photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadammel/

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Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"Great question:  We record degrees according to the location of the awarding institution.   ..."
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"We haven't done a detailed analysis yet--again, the striking pattern is that we're seeing..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"Joe--can you explain how online degrees get factored in? If I get an online degree from Ohio..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"Great questions, Patrick!"
Patrick Britton
on Mar 28, 2013
"Will the data for ALL the cities be posted online in one place? And in a downloadable..."
Patrick Britton
on Mar 28, 2013
"Good afternoon everyone! Question for consideration: are you seeing a difference across the..."
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"The data are adjusted to reflect population growth, so that places with slow-growing populations..."
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"Some folks may know the details of particular schools well enough to spot issues at first glance,..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"It makes sense, right? What you pay attention to is what becomes important. You and CEOs for..."
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"Dan, we haven't used the data to draw any connections between what different cities are doing and..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"Does that mean that metro teams should bring their own numbers, too, so they can do that error..."
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"Another key reason for providing these detailed reports to each participating city is to give..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"Also, a clarifying question--you and I have spoken about this before, but it will be useful to..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"Joe, without giving away too much, what are you finding about what's working best? And have you..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"Good news then! Metros won't have to wait another year to get 2012 data. That's fantastic."
Brynn Downing
on Mar 28, 2013
"This is good to know- thanks Dan and Joe!"
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"These data cover completions through 2011.  Metros will be able to see how much degree-granting..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"So, will cities be able to extrapolate much about their post-2011 performance? I ask because I..."
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013
"In Philadelphia we'll be giving each city its first annual progress report on how they're doing. ..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013
"First question, Joe: What exactly is the data that cities will get when they get to Philadelphia..."
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 25, 2013
"Next month in Philadelphia, all the cities will get their data through 2011, but what will that..."

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Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013 - 3:54 pm

Joe--can you explain how online degrees get factored in? If I get an online degree from Ohio State but I live in Chicago, who counts me?

 

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Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

Great question:  We record degrees according to the location of the awarding institution.

 

Its always been a challenge to connect the location of educational institution to the places whether their graduates end up working.  We've known for a long time that college-educated young adults are the most mobile people in our society, and the advent of distance learning is making the connection between the place that provided your education and the place that sees the economic benefit of your higher skills still more tenuous.

Frankly, however, we lack the data to track degrees awarded by the residential location of the graduate (either at the time of graduation, or thereafter).  So as a matter of policy, we decided to focus the prize on institutions increasing their degree awarding. 

 
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Patrick Britton
on Mar 28, 2013 - 2:08 pm

Good afternoon everyone! Question for consideration: are you seeing a difference across the competing cities in growth (or decline) in bachelor's or associate's degrees in particular? 

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013

Great questions, Patrick!

 
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

We haven't done a detailed analysis yet--again, the striking pattern is that we're seeing increases in almost every community.  But we don't want to read too much into one year's worth of data.

 

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013 - 12:32 pm

Also, a clarifying question--you and I have spoken about this before, but it will be useful to have it here. How do you control for passive population growth that might have an effect on the data? And, not that anyone would do this, but how do you spot "cheating?" 

 

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Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

The data are adjusted to reflect population growth, so that places with slow-growing populations aren't penalized.

 

To be sure the competition is as fair as possible, we want to be sure to quality check the data thoroughly.  The NCES data is the gold standard on completions, but as with any large database, occasionally there are errors--often because of changes in the way institutions report things--and we want to be sure that all of our computations are done on an apples-to-apples basis.

 

 
Patrick Britton
on Mar 28, 2013

Will the data for ALL the cities be posted online in one place? And in a downloadable -spreadsheet -if requests are allowed:)? 

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013 - 12:29 pm

Joe, without giving away too much, what are you finding about what's working best? And have you been surprised by any of the data that you'll be presenting to the metros? 

 

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Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

Dan, we haven't used the data to draw any connections between what different cities are doing and the results that they are seeing.  It would be difficult to read to much into a single year of change.  The one surprising--and encouraging--thing that we've seen is that the number of degrees awarded seems to be increasing in almost all of our participating cities--which is the real payoff from the Talent Dividend.

 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013

It makes sense, right? What you pay attention to is what becomes important. You and CEOs for Cities have focused everybody's attention on a specific and measurable target, and given people an incentive to collaborate on what already was a shared interest. What's not to like?

 
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Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013 - 10:58 am

In Philadelphia we'll be giving each city its first annual progress report on how they're doing.  The report will show the baseline data for each metro area--the number of AA, BA, and higher degrees awarded in the 2009-10 academic year, and then show the same numbers for the 2010-11 academic year.  We figure progress toward the talent dividend prize based on the increase in the number of degrees awarded (adjusted for population changes in each metro area).  Each participating city will get a customized report summarizing their progress, and also a detailed breakdown of institution-by-institution degree granting.

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013

So, will cities be able to extrapolate much about their post-2011 performance? I ask because I know how excited some teams are, but it seems important to know what the limitations of the data are.

 
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

These data cover completions through 2011.  Metros will be able to see how much degree-granting increased in the first year, and which institutions contributed the most to the growth in the metro area total.  Data for completions in 2012 will be available later this year, and when it is, we'll produce a second year progreess report.

 

 
Brynn Downing
on Mar 28, 2013

This is good to know- thanks Dan and Joe!

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013

Good news then! Metros won't have to wait another year to get 2012 data. That's fantastic.

 
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

Another key reason for providing these detailed reports to each participating city is to give them a chance to double-check the data for their metro area.  Our graduation statistics are drawn from reports compiled by the National Center for Education Statistics, from data submitted by colleges and universities.  This NCES data is the gold standard in measuring college completions, but even so, there are occasional errors and omissions, and we want to give every city a chance to see what's been reported for their area, so that if some institution got left out, or some degrees weren't reported, there's a chance to correct the data.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013

Does that mean that metro teams should bring their own numbers, too, so they can do that error checking on site or is that more something you'll hope people will do over the following months?

 
Joseph Cortright
on Mar 28, 2013

Some folks may know the details of particular schools well enough to spot issues at first glance, but we suspect most will want to take these reports home and share them with others locally. 

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 28, 2013 - 10:44 am

First question, Joe: What exactly is the data that cities will get when they get to Philadelphia April 8-9?(Registration and info, btw, is here.)

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Mar 25, 2013 - 8:59 pm

Next month in Philadelphia, all the cities will get their data through 2011, but what will that tell us and what won't it tell us? On Thursday, Joe Cortright will explain. Got other questions? Line them up!