Backchannel the Debate - VP Style

Backchannel the Debate - VP Style

Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

In the second debate of the campaign season, Vice President Nominee Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden will discuss the issues of today.

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"That's not teribly civil, is it, Jill?"
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"Ultimately it all comes down to which candidates voters believe on the jobs and economy issue, eh? "
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 12, 2012 - 9:26 am

For any interested, here's a transcript, which is very useful, particularly for sussing out the tax positions. 

 

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Nancy Reeves
on Oct 12, 2012

Good - now I can catch up on everything I missed in the first 15 minutes while I was dealing with broken cars, computers, and zunes...

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:37 pm

Great conversation, all. Thanks for watching the debate with us!!

 
Jon Eckerle
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:36 pm

I'll give it to Biden. 

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:33 pm

Ultimately it all comes down to which candidates voters believe on the jobs and economy issue, eh? 

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:29 pm

Paul Ryan is the male Tracy Flick. That is all.

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

That's not teribly civil, is it, Jill?

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012

You didn't love Tracy Flick? Remember her face in the bus window looking at Matthew Broderick?!

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

Perfect! I've been thinking he looks just right to be debating for University of Wisconsin's class president, but just visually not yet right for the debate he's actually at. 

 
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Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:29 pm

Wow did I hear him right? ( I was reading maybe I missed something)  , the court should not make those decisions. So let's overturn Brown v. the Board of Education as well.

I believe that just as Biden, religion/spirituality is a guide for your own personal life and family, not a free democratic nation.  Personally, as a person of faith I do believe that life begins at conception, even if dealing with science that is true. But, I don't impose those beliefs on my neighbors. Also ultimately, I also understand the externalities of criminalizing woman who are faced with the decision to keep a "unwanted" child. No way can I put a hurt, scared,desperate woman in a jail cell or otherwise for making a choice that she felt was best for her giving her circumstance.

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:24 pm

CNN dial thingy for women showing that they are liking on Biden right now

 

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Daryl Rowland
on Oct 11, 2012

Yes. The women seemed to prefer Ryan during the earlier part of the debate. Then it shifted. Don't you think?

 
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Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:22 pm

"At the end of the day, are you ever ashamed of the tone?" Wow, Martha. I hope she gets a bonus!

 

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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

Funny how they both went on the attack in their response. Did they not hear the question? Build up America not take each other down. We have a long way to go in America.

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Would have been refreshing for them to say, "Look Martha, this race is too close to take the high road and, frankly, this negativity is the only thing that moves the needle, even if voters say they hate it." 

 
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Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:19 pm

Those faces Ryan is making are not helpful

 

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Christopher Diehl
on Oct 11, 2012

Impish know-it-all

 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Hi Christopher! Glad you've dropped in!

 
Christopher Diehl
on Oct 11, 2012

Hard to listen, read and write simultaneously...isn't it?

 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

I want to respond to everything I hear, so this is a nice release valve. :-)

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:16 pm

Raddatz gets better and better as the debate goes on. She's providing a model for the art form.

 

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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

I was loving her until she asked a religion question. Religion has absolutely no place in politics. Wasn't that part of the founding of our country. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

it shouldn't, but it does, J. That's the reality. And faith informs the character of both these candidates, at least one of whom spends a bit of time playing up his own faith to appeal to certain constituents. So, religion as a topic is actually fair game.

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012

Totally with you. Growing up in shadow of Kennedy's statements about religion having no place in politics,  the move toward convergence of religion and politics that began most obviously in the late 1980s is very distressing to me.

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

I am glad she asked the question.

I can't separate my faith from who I am - and I don't expect anyone for whom faith is central in their life can.  I want to know how they view how their faith intersects with their ability to carry out the job they are seeking

It doesn't play a role in many jobs I have sought - but it did in one.  The courts, at virtually every level, participate imposing or affirming the death penalty.  When I applied for a position in the appellate courts, I needed to make it clear that if I was hired I would be unable to draft any opinion that involved the death penalty because my integrity as an attorney would require that I write an opinion consistent with the law (regardless of whether I thought it should be the law), but my faith would not permit me to play a role in keeping someone on death row.  It would have been unfair to the judge I would be working for to accept a job my faith would prevent me from fully performing.

If there are similar hard stops (or affirmative positions) that the VP's personal faith requires them to take, I want to know it - and I want to know how they think thorugh these things.

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Religion doesn't belong in politics, but she asked an open question to which a candidate could answer just that. And I'm glad that voters were reminded that there were two Catholics discussing the abortion question, which took away the Ryan Catholic high ground -- made their religion moot, in a way. I do long for the day when religion or lack of it doesn't matter in US politics.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

And with her followup on the abortion question, she went right to the heart of the matter. I can't help but notice that we've all paused for a moment here, mayeb to hear what the candidates were going to say on the issue, maybe to avoid bringing it up here. She's serving America very well right now.  

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

I noticed the same thing.

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:13 pm

This Syria segment, like the Afghanistan segment, is getting in the weeds. But I'm glad it's getting an airing. I've been confused in the last year about why Obama has supported opposition in Egypt and Libya but not Bahrain or Syria. 

 
Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:07 pm

So he is trying to indicate that we should send more troops to Afghanistan?

 

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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

That isn't clear, he started off saying we needed more forces but then he says he agrees with 2014 timeline.

 
Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012

No troops just change the language! OMG  And he is also proposing to just usurp all international diplomacy.  

 
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Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012 - 10:02 pm

little known fact - I supported Biden in the Dem primary in 2008 because he spoke about nuclear proliferation when no one else did. It is the single most important topic not discussed.

 

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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

Romney/Ryan seems to think reduction in arms and troops is a sign of weakness.

 
Daryl Rowland
on Oct 11, 2012

Martha wins the debate, hands down! Great work.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

I remember that, Jill (his statement, not your support), and I noted that he seemed at that moment to be one of the wisest candidates running.

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012

They must be doing fairly well because I have been up since 1:30am PST and I am still awake. Ooh here comes religion...and abortion!

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Jill: As someone who spent 1993-2005 working for nuclear disarmament full time, I bow in your direction! I was happy to get to ask President Obama during his campaign stop at Nike Site Park in Parma if we'll see the U.S. ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty in his next term. Without missing a beat, he said "I would very much like that."  (Now. getting it through the Senate . . . ) And yes, it was not lost on me that I was asking him about nukes in my childhood park that used to house nike missiles. 

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012

Bowing totally declined! But the geopolitical ignorance of voters is so unfortunate, it really dominoes into so much other poor prioritization about what really threatens the world. I bow to you for working on the topic for so long!

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:57 pm

Can we talk about bipartisanship for a second? I'm a big fan of the concept, but does Ryan have credibility on this? I tend to lump him in with the Mitch McConnells and John Boehners in Congress. Did I miss a moment when Ryan was advocating compromise?

 

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Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Biden was right to call him out on that. 

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

About 5 minutes ago...

 
Daryl Rowland
on Oct 11, 2012

Ryan advocated for bi-partisanship in principle, but compromise was not mentioned. The tea party wing of the party makes advocating compromise very challenging.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Sorry, I meant historically. Like in the Congress in which he has been serving. 

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

I know.  I couldn't resist.

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

I say no, Dan. Ryan is the poster child of this new breed of young Republicans that looks at compromise as moral failure. That said, the vast (very vast) majority of voters don't have the knowledge of American politics to know that, or to realize that Ryan's calls for bipartisanship - and what he calls bipartisanship - are hollow. 

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012

Justin - I am at a conference that focuses on deliberative inquiry and the intransigence of many politicians is a near anathema to democracy as many see it.

 
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Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:57 pm

Biden is so matter of fact !

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:53 pm

Oy I need to read  through so much to catch up

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Welcome back!

 
Jill Miller Zimon
on Oct 11, 2012

So I am watching CNN in a hotel lobby bar place - only three people watching with me but ok. They can't figure out what the dial thing is on CNN and frankly that timer makes me little stressed. I don't like the split screen - I'd like to see the whole table in one shot.

 
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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:52 pm

Simple questions and complicated answers. Ryan still won't answer the 20% question. I would like to know how you are going do a tax cut. What loopholes are specifically talking about closing?

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

I was about to say "I think he said he wouldn't close any loopholes." But now he's saying he would close loopholes. I'm a little confused.  

 
Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012

 

I don't trust that my home mortgage deduction, and education tax credits will not be affected.

 
Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

Both of which would hurt our generation. Why buy a house? Why go to school?How does that help our economy?

 
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Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:50 pm

I still don't get how you eliminate a deficit while lowering taxes?

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

As Biden is saying right now--the only way is getting rid of loopholes. But it's a tough sell.

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Revenue gets lost in the tax debates all the time. And research shows that when the government doesn't have the money to fully fund programs, people just see failure and doubt the efficiacy of government to deliver much of anything. 

 
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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:45 pm

Does it make sense to raise the social security age to save the program?

 

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

It probably does, especially given the biological fact that life spans are getting longer--the program wasn't created imagining people would spend three decades receiving benefits. So, yeah, it kind of does need to be rethought. 

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

I would prefer to eliminate the cap on paying into Social Security.  Currently income above $110,100 is not subject to FICA tax.

I would prefer to pay more rather than raise retirement age.  There are people who wear their bodies out with hard labor, for whom working a few extra years would be a major hardship - and many of those do not earn enough to be able to retire on their own.

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

Jason, personally, I think it does. Or, perhaps stated differently, the arguments used to keep it the way it has been for decades, despite changes in health tech, work-life patterns, and age expectancy, don't seem to hold water. This is an area where you can see Dems captive to the AARP vote. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

you made my point much better than I did. 

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

Ha, I was thinking the same thing about your comment!

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Plenty of analysts (like economists Paul Krugman and Dean Baker) say Social Security doesn't need saving to begin with. That aside, while I used to think that raising the minimum age made sense, a coworker got me to rethink that. She works with low-income communities, and she talked about how hard extra work years are for people who do physically demanding, low paying jobs. That made me think of my own mother who at age 68 is still cleaning houses for a living - despite pain in her shoulder and hand - because she can't afford to retire even with this safety net. The age change would hurt the most vulnerable seniors.

 
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Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:42 pm

Thoughts on how the interactions between these two men will play with viewers? I can see some seeing Biden's interruptions (pointing out Ryan's inaccuracies) as evidence that Ryan is dishonest, but I can also see some thinking Biden's being a jerk. What do you think those mythical independent voters will see? 

 

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Taryn Gress
on Oct 11, 2012

Ryan's taken some cheap shots, Biden's gaffe's and Obama's performance last week, they seem pretty even to me...

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

I share your concerns.  I wish Biden would reign it in a bit.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

I think Biden is most likable and believable when he speaks in turn, rather than interrupting. Ryan, as you pointed out does seem earnest and authentic.

 

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Good question. I'm biased in his favor, but I think Biden's confident demeanor works for him. But I can see people who see Ryan as a nice younger man who's more polite. Hmmmm. Many polls and interviews with voters in barbershops await us tomorrow.

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:41 pm

Just a quick reminder: don't forget to refresh the page. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:35 pm

Medicare and social security going bankrupt. These guys aren't going to address the question that is really at the heart here: should government have a role in ensuring a basic level of security for citizens?  

 

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Taryn Gress
on Oct 11, 2012

I'd like a visual breakdown. I can't reasonably make sense of it all. Why are they only talking about seniors? 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

I think b/c Raddatz isn't asking about Medicaid.

 
Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

They can't even fully answer the question about what they would do secure the current program.

How could they answer the larger philosophical question?

 
Lisa Canter
on Oct 11, 2012

Privitizing medicare? What a nightmare. I am so glad we are finally saying no to not covering prior conditions or allowing insurance companies to deny coverage. 

 
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Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:32 pm

The 47% iis troublesome to me. I feel as if it was a very "heartfelt" statement. He may have been trying to say Obama has a base that he knows he can't win over. He was nasty and degrading. I am the 47% and don't want a hand out, just opportunity.  

 

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Louis Alloro
on Oct 11, 2012

Good call on the Ryan hypocricy, VP.

 
Stephanie Wahome
on Oct 11, 2012

Do you think Ryan answered the 47% question from Biden?

 
Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012

Nope.  All he said is he was mispeaking.

 
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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:31 pm

So many statistics being mentioned. Who is fact checking? Its very easy to skew numbers.Wouldn't it be nice if a tv network checked these facts during the broadcast?

 

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Taryn Gress
on Oct 11, 2012

That would be great. It's hard to keep track of it all and know what is "factual" and what is " about bunch of stuff". 

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Twitter is great for that. I'll keep an eye out for non-partisan corrections there.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

if there are facts anyone wants checked, let's label them with FACT CHECK, and then whoever's got a moment and interest can take care of it. 

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 12, 2012

Here is a link to the New York Times fact checking on the debate.

 
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Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:27 pm

Vice President Biden is clearly on offense, maybe a bit more assertively than wise but a clear departure from President Obama's. It'll be interesting to see how the media covers it, focusing on Biden's killer lines like "That's a bunch of stuff" or "Facts Matter" or doing what they did to Gore and focusing on the signs and eyerolls.

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

"Bunch of stuff" was a good one. Does Ryan appear ready for the White House? As in the one heartbeat away from the Oval Office kind of ready? 

 
Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

I'd love to hear the uncensored version of what is going through Biden's head. Both of them, for that matter. VP debate in a Cleveland bar over cans of Bud. 

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

I think Rep. Ryan comes across well-informed, earnest, and nice, which is pretty much his reputation. He does seem a little green, though, not quite yet presidential, if only because of his age and midwestern lack of gravitas. A dozen years from now, though? Very different story. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

you're right, I think, Justin. That's an accurate assessment. 

 
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Mike Shafarenko
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:26 pm

I'm enjoying the way Martha is moderating this debate much better than Jim. 

 
Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:24 pm

Middle East = Terrorism? That wasn't a fair assessment. But at least we agree that war in Middle East is something no one wants.

 

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Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012

Everyone ignores the Israeli nuclear stockpile too. We need the US to show leadership on arms control - something Obama "gets" impressively well - so that nuclear weapons don't remain the ultimate symbol of power. That's what North Korea, Iran, etc al, really want -- to be in the nuclear Big Boys club. That's what we saw with India and Pakistan too. 

 
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Tracy Moavero
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:21 pm

I liked Biden when he was on Senate Foreign Relations Committee. As someone who worked on nuclear disarmament issues for many years, I'm glad to hear Biden speak to the real issue of what Iran does/doesn't have. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:20 pm

Really insteresting the way Biden switched to the very informal Bibi. His style is communicating a deep familiarity with the issues.  

 
Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:20 pm

Paul Ryan: We are going to change their mind.

But how? Seems to suggesting military action. Are you okay with that?

Biden: They don't have a weapon yet. We know that. Let's all calm down, they are more isolated now. Is Iran still a concern for you?

 

 

 

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Iran is a huge huge concern. Instability there and Israel's response to that nation is so touchy. We need a NOCMES guy here for some professional persepctive. 

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:18 pm

Aside: Martha Raddatz is killing it. She might be one of my new favorite moderators. So far, she seems to be giving Ryan a bit more time, though.

 

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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

She is keeping them on task though. I am very impressed.

 
Louis Alloro
on Oct 11, 2012

Agree she's doing a phenom. job moderating. She's actually moderating!

 
Justin Vaughn
on Oct 11, 2012

I agree, she's fantastic. Human, engaged, fair, balancing policy matters with political developments. Command performance so far!

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Ok, on the tax stuff, she lost control. I don't like hearing these guys talk over one another. 

 
Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

I wish Martha would tell Biden to stop interrupting.

 
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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:11 pm

It's never to early to speak up about values and cuts to our military undermine our security.

Do you agree with that? Is it okay to apologize to others? Do miliary cuts reality signify weakness?

 

 

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Good questions, J. I think there's a time and place for everything. Even in the midst of a political campaign, these kind of statements should be weighed and thought carefully through before jumping in and "speaking up for American values."

And no, military cuts don't signal weakness. But I could be convinced otherwise.

 
Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012

I agree with Dan to say that we need to think carefully about what message we send , but we need to find balance between international involvement and our domestic issues. It may be somewhat of a catch 22 at this point. Our domestic issues are vital and the cuts presented are not to reflect weakness but prudence. The entire budget does shape our priorities and military spending will still be a very sizeable portion/priority.

 
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Louis Alloro
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:07 pm

Biden was told to smile. A lot.

Smart move.

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Hey Louis! Do you know he was told that, or are you guessing?

 
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Daryl Rowland
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:07 pm

Strong first statment by Biden. Although he did sidestep the issue of how the story changed.

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:05 pm

Libya, a massive intelligence faliure? Biden agrees that it was, and a huge loss. But he avoided talking about why that happened. Pivoted quickly to other foreign policy issues. Bin Laden gets mentioned within the first two minutes. Not surprised.

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Ryan out of the box calls out Obama and Biden for focusing on the YouTube video instead of recognizing that it was a terrorist attack. Claims this was a matter of projecting weakness abroad. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Raddatz pushes back on Ryan--reminding everyone that Romney started casting blame on Obama right after the Libya attack. 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

Biden: that's a bunch of malarkey. The Congressman cut embassy security by $300 mn. We need a FACT CHECK.  

 
Nancy Reeves
on Oct 11, 2012

http://jbk-current-events.blogspot.com/2012/10/campaigns-spar-over-funds-for-embassy.html seems to be a balanced assessment.

Paraphrased:

The 19% non-defense discretionarycuts proposed in the Ryan budget, applied evenly across the board would have resulted in $300 million cuts to embassy security.

The opposing view is that the budget wasn't that detailed - it is impossible to tell from the budget where specific cuts would have made.

 

 
Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

sweet. thx for digging that up, Nancy. When Biden said that, it sounded like Ryan had voted to actually cut that security, not just advocated those cuts. 

 
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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:04 pm

Starting with Libya. Biden: Its a tragedy, and we will bring them to justice. Do you think this was a failure of intelligence?

 
Daryl Rowland
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:02 pm

Any bets on the time of Biden's first Gaffe? (That's a non-partisan question, by the way)

 

 

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Stephanie Wahome
on Oct 11, 2012

Well Daryl, it looks like Biden is about to shake it up

 
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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012 - 9:02 pm

Martha Raddatz kicks it off, promising to move back and forth b/w foreign and domestic policies. VP Biden is first. What are you listening/watching for?

 

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Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012

I like how Martha is handling this debate.

 
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Ashley Evans
on Oct 11, 2012 - 6:33 pm

Hey Jason,

I talked your ear off after the Presidential Debate, we will see how well I can type it today.

 
Jason Russell
on Oct 11, 2012 - 2:01 pm

The second presidential debate of the 2012 election begins tonight at 9pm. It can be seen on most news networks or online on Youtube.

 

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Dan Moulthrop
on Oct 11, 2012

To everyone participating, don't forget to refresh your browser frequently!

 
Stephanie Wahome
on Oct 11, 2012

Biden opens up with direct quotes...interesting

 

 
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